Episode Transcript
[00:00:10] Speaker A: Welcome to the guide to Live. It's Friday, March 29, 2024, and this is your weekly hangout to join us to talk about live streaming with people who really know what it's like.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: Because let's face it, no one really knows what you're talking about if you say you're a live creator.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Yeah, but we do.
So I'm Tara, and across from me is my co host, Ben. And together we make up the guide to live team.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we do. So it's been a busy week for us as well.
[00:00:39] Speaker A: It's been a busy week, but it's been an amazing week because we are getting ready for a trip to New York City, NYC.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I know you've been working hard on it. We're taking a bunch of people to the TikTok studios, the New York offices in Times Square. But I have a, I have some, an update for you. So it comes with a question. I know you don't know the answer to this yet.
[00:00:59] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah.
[00:01:00] Speaker B: So can you or can't you live stream from a helicopter?
Helicopter.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: A helicopter. Yeah, I think you can. I think you can, depending on how far up you go. Like, altitude wise, maybe. I think.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you're kind of right and wrong, like. So here's the. I've been speaking to a helicopter company about this because. Because there may or may not be the first ever, the world first ever live match battle happening on a helicopter.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Oh, there may or may not be.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: That sounds so exciting.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: But so here's the, here's the skinny on it. So, apparently, if you're in a helicopter, you have great signal, like, outside of the city when you're flying around. But the second you get over the city, the cell networks are so, like, under stress there that it kind of, like, it loses the stream.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: I mean, I was thinking, who would need to know that?
[00:01:51] Speaker A: But it's actually, like, the closer you are to other people with their cell phones, you're limited.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: Then let's talk about what we're talking about this week.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah, let's talk about it.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: The history of live streaming.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: Where did live streaming come from? Why did it happen?
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah, why did it happen?
[00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's the big question. And actually, I think this comes as a bit of a revelation in terms of, really, what is the difference between some of the live streaming platforms? And we talk a lot about the algorithm and how the algorithm works on TikTok Live and this new form of live streaming to cell phone, but which.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Is, there are some differences take it anywhere you go. Whereas, like, most people, when they, when you refer to live streaming, it's like gaming.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the history. Still, I think, like, if you go into your, into the corner store and you said, I'm a live streamer, I would say 99% of people are going to think you're a gaming live streamer. And that's just because of the history of where it came from. So you ready to go on a whistle stop tour of the history?
[00:02:53] Speaker A: I love history. History is one of my favorite things. I like to know where we came from.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: You're a why person.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm a why person. It's like, you're not. You're not going to know where you're going or where you are right now unless you know where you come from. That way you can figure out, engage what you need to do to set a goal.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: So you can go way back. Like, live streaming starts with television. Live streaming. But we're really interested in, like, streaming over the Internet, essentially.
So a lot of this is driven by the available bandwidth in the world here. So we start with dial up.
You give me your best dial up impression.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: Okay, let me think. It starts off with a little.
Yeah. And that would always. It sound like a bouncy sound and like your parents would. You could never sneak, if you wanted to go online and chat with your friends late night. You could never sneak it.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: You can't sneak it online. Yeah.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Everyone would know.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That, um, sound is, like, burned into the mind of a whole set of people, and then at some point it stops and no one else heard it ever. So live streaming is tied to the development of, like, high speed Internet. And around 2007, Justin TV launches. Okay, so Justin TV is just a guy called Justin. Justin Khan.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Just a guy. Justin.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Justin Khan, who is the founder, along with a couple of other people, of Justin TV. And he streams a webcam, live webcam from. He sticks a webcam onto his hat.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Okay. You're like, I hear he sticks a webcam where.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Yeah, on his head. And he livestreams twenty four seven.
And so you see his life. And, like, there was a little bit. Some of the wording is like, live streaming.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
Does he, like, turn. Does he have, like, a thing that.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: Covers when he goes, you don't need to immediately go to the.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: I mean, I'm a nurse.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: That's the question.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: People have functions that they do. And, like, if it's a 24 hours stream, they're gonna use that function at some point.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, um. So they're live streaming and people are interested because it's the first time that.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Has ever really happened that like watching people do stuff like that in like a 20. That's like voyeurism. Like, that's kind of like.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: We know that that works, big brother. It comes a lot. You know, all of that stuff is.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: Like, I've been observing people since I was a child.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: I love watching.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: You learn a lot from it.
So don't be creepy. Don't be creepy. Yeah, yeah. There's a great message. If there's one thing you take away from this conversation, don't be creepy. But also maybe the history of live streaming.
So they, they're streaming and it becomes popular enough that the channel, it becomes just in tv, the website, and they add more channels. 30, 60 other creators, they didn't call them creators back then.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: It's called people with channels.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And they were live streaming things roughly. They're similar to Justin TV. Different kind of things.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: And then they add in niches. So they think we've got enough channels here. We need to divide it up and tell people categories. Yeah. One of the categories is gaming.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: So I'm going to pause here because something else has been happening in parallel to all of this.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Before the.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Well, kind of concurrently at the same time, just in tv's happening. Webcams have come out a little before that.
This goes back to the gaming community.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: So like, you, you're way more of a gamer than me.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: You're a fantasy gamer.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Adventure quest.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Adventure quest, yeah.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: But they, but when did that all begin?
[00:06:55] Speaker A: Seventies, in the early to mid seventies. Like, and to be honest with you, like it was on PCs. People were playing with each other and they were. It was like telegaming.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: So they were chatting, text chat, talking back and forth. And then they were literally like typing in the code to like make their moves and that, like those are the really, like when they were developing games too. But, but that, yes, that is how the community started with the gaming community and then like with the texting because that's like multiplayer games. You have to be able to like communicate with one.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: And this is all in dial up at this dial up still. So there are gamers that are playing games mostly kind of like you're moving up a cursor or not even a cursor. You're moving up like a player around.
[00:07:44] Speaker A: I think I was playing adventure back in the day.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Adventure?
[00:07:47] Speaker A: Yeah. You ever heard of that game?
[00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it rings a bell?
[00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: What was adventure?
[00:07:51] Speaker A: A really fun, like, kind of like quest adventure game. I mean, it's called adventure, but I remember playing it and it was basically like a pet. You're a pixel and you're, like, moving around on this.
You're moving around and there's these little creatures and you have to get a key. You have to go through this, like, turmoil, so you have to get a key to get into this castle or dungeon or whatever, but there's all these obstacles that get in the way, and then when you do finally get into the key, into the castle, then there's all these other, like, hidden things that you have to avoid.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: Who would have figured out that little terror would have grown into big terror? Who loved Zelda?
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Zelda.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: I mean, it's basically a precursor to the game.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: It's like adventure is definitely. I definitely think that it was. Zelda was inspired by that game.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you're right. I remember adventure. So everyone's in there playing these games at the same time. Webcams come along. Cause the bandwidths got big enough. So naturally, those people who are playing games, who are chit chatting with each other while they're playing games, get webcams.
And I think this is where everything we've talked about so far has been technology based. The development of technology led to things. This is where I think this is the kind of one of the key secrets or the roots of the puzzle right here is that the human element comes in. You get ten people who were playing a multiplayer game. They were chatting. Now you put webcams on.
[00:09:16] Speaker A: Now you can see them each.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: Now you can see them naturally in a group of friends, in a group of people.
One of those people is going to be the gregarious one.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: It's going to be me who's going to come on one night all dressed up as Link or Zelda.
That's not a multiplayer game, but I'm going to be dressed up as one of the characters.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah, but larger than life. If you put ten people in a room, one person is going to be the one that is holding the conversation, or they might be super interesting, or they know the game really well. They're compelling in a way that people want to watch them.
So. And that's just human nature going on. But it's very much you're viewing. It's almost like the cool kid. You're viewing the cool kid in their bedroom, essentially, like doing something and they're being funny or whatever.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: Then. So this is all in parallel with like, so Justin TV has added the gaming section to it. And what that does is allow people to watch other people play the game, one they're not playing themselves.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: It's like passive viewing.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And because everyone has already figured out.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: Talking back and forth because they're not playing the game, they're just watching other people play the game together.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And naturally you watch the kid, the person who is the most entertaining.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: So they've added these categories into the website and the gaming one just explodes. So obviously people are interested in watching people play other games who are interesting while they're doing it.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: It was the most popular channel.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So this is now like 2011.
It's been around for a little while.
So what does Justin TV do? They launch Twitch TV.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: Twitch TV is essentially a streaming platform designed for gamers to stream. Like, it's expanded since then to in other categories. Like that's how it launched.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Just strictly like for gaming. Yeah, I remember Twitch. Yeah, I remember our son was watching like just people playing video games and I was like, why are you watching video games? Like don't you want to play them yourself? Yeah, he's more intense and I, and.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: I would, and he doesn't really, he openly admits he, he basically doesn't really interact with, he likes the watching parts of it.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: It's entertaining and I do know it is because I know I found one of my favorite entertainers on Twitch accidentally. Oh yeah, lemmy, you know the Lemmy show.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: Oh yeah, the scottish comedian.
[00:11:40] Speaker A: He's one of my favorite. Like I love him. Holly Math I, anyway, long story short, I was, I found myself watching him because his show is not on anymore. I was like, I'm gonna watch, let me, and even though he was gaming, I was like, I don't really particularly like watching him like farm ride, but I do like watching him do it because he's entertaining. He says funny things. It's like, it's entertaining. And now I can see like this is why people were watching.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Watching this stuff.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think we're talking about this is like people are watching. This is the core difference. So the success of that platform comes from the people, the people who are naturally good at it are the people who can naturally hold an audience of viewers watching them.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: And obviously twitch then like builds out and their subscriptions and there is chat and there's all sorts of like functions as a way of interacting with the live streamer. But it came from a point of watching first, interacting second, much different than the platform. Yeah.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Of like, TikTok live.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: TikTok live. Right.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: Because it's a completely different way of.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: It's kind of flipped on its head. So if we're talking about the history. So 2007, the platform launches. 2011, twitch then launches.
[00:12:55] Speaker A: And then what? What comes after that? Like, what's going down the pipeline for the history of. Of this live stream?
[00:13:01] Speaker B: Yeah. So Amazon buys Twitch.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Like, in 2014.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: 2014. So Amazon then buys Twitch, obviously, big investment there. They understand the value of the live streaming. And really, at that point, live streaming is that for everybody in the US, it becomes huge. There's a point where Twitch is the fourth highest trafficked website in the United States for quite a long time.
And then we get to 2017, where TikTok live comes along. And there have been other live streaming apps at this point in the. The US, but they kind of come more from the dating world. TikTok itself comes out of the app musically.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:51] Speaker B: So this is like 2017. There is a story here that really does need to be investigated. Did Terra post the first ever TikTok video?
[00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: So here are the dates.
If you look up on the history of TikTok, it launches in the US, September 2017. It launches with the live function, but it's very, very minimal at this point.
2017. So you post. If you go on your personal TikTok account, the first TikTok that you have posted is September 2016, a whole year before the platform launched.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: What's that about?
[00:14:31] Speaker A: I know.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: How do you do it?
[00:14:32] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I think it was because musically, there was somehow. It was like maybe Google Play.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It was all connected.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: I was using my photos.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: Because you weren't particularly tech savvy. It wasn't like you were like an early adopter to TikTok.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: No, no. But I was into editing videos and music to it. I did that. That was something I liked to do.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: And I had made this, like, little like this. I had. It was like, with my photos and music, and I put it together and then that was. And I uploaded it, I shared it, and then, boom, it was the first video. So this is uploaded on my TikTok.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: This is. But this is like, really the beginnings of it all. Yeah, but TikTok live and those other live streaming platforms come out of social media, as opposed to gaming. And social media is driven by interaction, engagement. Everyone knows that.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Like, face, I remember seeing it, I was like, this is kind of like FaceTime with people are chatting in it. It's like two people facetiming with other people listening.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: Chatting.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
So. But not always two people, though.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: No, but it seemed like when the ones that back then, it was just like, not two people, but one person. Like, there's one person on the screen.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: It was like you. I mean, that's interesting that you said.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: That, like, they were facetiming someone else, but they were facetiming me.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: That's so fascinating because I'm just. Maybe it was a slip of the tongue, but maybe it was a, like, freudian slip that you felt like you were facetiming the person.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it was me.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: And that person, even though they were, they were streaming to multiple and they.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: Weren'T even streaming to anyone because they're technically just streaming to, like.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: So what does that tell you about the relationship between the viewer and the streamer?
[00:16:12] Speaker A: It can be, it feels very real. It's a real connection.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: That's the difference. That's the difference between the other streaming with, like, like, the passive watching as opposed to the face on, like, carrying on a conversation with someone in front of you.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So everything that we talk about in terms of, like, what makes a successful TikTok live stream, it's all about engagement. You cannot be successful just being watched. The viewer has to take part in the stream. They have to be part of it. They have to be influence it.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think that is one of the reasons that some people who come from, some creators who do come from that platform where they do, they're used to, like, passive entertainment.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: They have a hard time adjusting and fitting in on the TikTok platform. And that's why, like, it's one of the reasons we're here is to help them transition and, you know, to help give them pointers and teach them, like, how to transit, like, how to get the most engagement out of your live streams.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: Right, right.
So I think this is really interesting when you go back to it. Live streaming comes from people who just had webcams, because really, all that is, is live streaming is a webcam, isn't it?
[00:17:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: Like, like, this is a webcam looking at us. Live streaming is a webcam. It's on your phone or it's on a computer. It's on. You have a webcam. The language has changed slightly, but over time, it migrated into something where people really wanted to watch what was going on.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And now, I mean, it's so it's gaining more and more popular popularity because it's so convenient, like, this form of live streaming to mobile device. It's so much easier to do that than being like a lot of other places. It's more stationary, you know, like, you have to be on your tablet. Not everyone has cellular service on their tablet. So it's like you have to be home to watch a lot of stuff. Not with this stuff, you know?
[00:18:05] Speaker B: You mean like on your computer? You have to be on your computer.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Not your tablet too, because like I said, not everyone can lie, can get access to the Internet anywhere on their tablet unless they have cellular services.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of forget that because we have a cell plan on our iPad so that we can stream from it.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: A lot of times people can only use their cell phone. I mean, they're.
A lot of times people can only use their tablet, like at home, on the Internet.
[00:18:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
So I think maybe this it, like, there's a line somewhere right at the far end of the scale, the people who are really, really successful at live streaming, in that older sense, you're naturally inclined to it if you are good at doing something that is being viewed. And on the other end of the scale, the TikTok live end of the scale, the people who are really good at it are amazing at getting engagement and holding people for a long period of time. But it's all about in the moment. There's got to be a line at some point. And I would say, let's talk about either side of the line. I think on the twitch side, I think a streamer like BB Jess is a great example of someone who's really close to the line of being able to really do what they do on TikTok Live, but their whole stream is set up about looking into their room. They're the ultimate cool kid that you want to kind of view what's happening and take part. They're amazingly interactive, and that's what I mean, they're right at the line.
They would have to be interactive in a slightly different way to then succeed.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: On TikTok Live, it's a little bit different.
It's a slightly different approach.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: And maybe on the other side of the line is the, like the Chris Netzl's or even the Doc Compton's, where they are trafficking in long form content, where the watch time is high, but they are then able to get this level of engagement going on that triggers the algorithm to send more and more people that way.
So. But the reason why we really wanted to talk about this is, like, if you don't understand where both of those formats differ, it's very difficult to be. To be like, understand how to do well in either of them. It's not.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Exercise fits all.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: It really isn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So welcome to the history of live streaming.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really interesting. It really is interesting to see how far we have come since the seventies.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, so much has changed.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: Actually, they weren't really live streaming in the seventies, but we were chatting and it was texting streaming. That was text streaming.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: I mean, the first webcam came is 1990, 119, 91. And that was like that. But I mean, the me, you would immediately think, oh, wow, it's like a webster webcam. Like normal. It was the first one. It was rubbish. It was at Cambridge. It was a. Like a Cambridge university laboratory.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: It livestream for years and years. It looked at a coffee pot, though.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: It was a stand staring at a coffee pot. I saw a lot of coffee.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, what was the engagement on that?
[00:21:12] Speaker A: It's like watching the, like, wildlife. It's like animal planet. That's live streaming.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I just want to wrap up here with something for the new live streamers on TikTok is what? This starts on the 29th. This is the day we're recording this, but it runs for quite a long time, through to the 8th. It's called the TikTok Live creator bootcamp.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: It's essentially a set of challenges. Multi stage challenge. TikTok live loves that.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: This is fun.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: A multi stage challenge.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: These are fun and these are great because, especially if you're new, these are things that are really designed for you, especially for you. They're set up for you to succeed, especially with our help, like, with our encouragement and, you know, a little bit of navigation. But we think that these things are great because they push you out of your comfort zone. They teach you about what's going on in the app as far as features and whatnot. And then at the end, like, you get to, like, whoever completes it gets to share a pool of rewards.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: It's 300,000 diamonds as well. So there's a little diamond reward in there as well.
[00:22:15] Speaker A: At the end, you get a little reward.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: Yeah. But anytime we see these things, like we. We really recommend everybody who is eligible for them gets involved.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: And, I mean, this is one of the things I hate this. Hate to be this. It's like. It's great because it's educational. It's like a kid when you get your Christmas present and you figure out it's an educational presentation. Boring.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: Well, there's more than that. And there's also another reason, like, you end up working like you. I feel like you get more support from the community when you're involved with those things.
[00:22:46] Speaker B: Because you talk about narrative. Yeah, yeah. You give a reason.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: Narrative.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: To the community that you're developing. It creates a reason for them to get behind you. Then also, like, the people in the tick tock team, they're not as, like, it's a small team. And if you're competing in these things, they know who.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Oh, they really do.
[00:23:02] Speaker A: They know you.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: I mean, you can see the list of people. There's only so many people. There's only so many people getting involved.
[00:23:08] Speaker A: Who's serious about it, who gets involved, and who's participate. Participates and things. And then. And that's where they, like, okay, this is somebody who is active, engaging. Like, we can. Maybe if there's something coming up later, we can offer them something.
[00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of just being in the mix, really.
And it's also challenging. That's what I mean. It's educational in that most of them are designed to get you to do something you haven't really done before.
And they're fun as well. So, talking about fun, it is Friday afternoon.
We just wrapped up recording a Friday panel, which will be exclusive within the bluepro. Amazing conversation with Doc Compton.
The famous Doc Compton. So if you're part of blue shift, you'll be able to listen to that one. And he has a joke about white underpants.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: That's all we're gonna say.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Undercrackers. Undercrackers that you have to be there to listen to. I think so. Might be another thing that my parents said that no one else is.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: We were discovering all these new words that didn't exist ever until now.
Under crackers.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: All righty, then.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Yes. Well, have a great weekend, everyone. And until next time, we'll see you on the other side of the camera.
