Episode Transcript
[00:00:09] Speaker A: Welcome to the guide to Live. It's Monday, October 14, and this is your weekly hangout to join us to talk about live streaming with people who really know what it's like.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Because let's face it, no one really knows what you're talking about if you say you're a live streamer.
[00:00:22] Speaker A: Yeah. But we do. So I'm Tara, and across from me is my co host Ben, and together we make up your guide to live.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: And on today's podcast, the first back after many we talk about what is going on with the word live and how confusing it is, comparing it with streaming services to television, streaming services to iPhone, streaming services to twitch and all of those things. What is going on?
And take a little bit of a dive into streamlabs as well, the streaming software and really just catch up a little bit of what's going on in live. And if you just stay to the end, you're gonna get to choose both of our Halloween costumes.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: So let's do it.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: All right.
[00:01:10] Speaker B: Hey.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: Hey.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: It's been a while since we've done one of these.
[00:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah, we've been busy. We've been doing a lot.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Has been really, really busy.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: We've been changing things up, too. A lot. A little bit. You know, like rearranging. Rearranging things.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah. We actually used to do these live. That's the first big change. We've gone back to recording these just in the comfort of our own podcasting studio rather than live on air.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: We figured out that was. It didn't really work because you can't tend to the live audience because you're doing a podcast which you don't have to edit. You can't really do a good podcast because you're trying to tend to the.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like a catch 22.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: So it's best just to do the thing. It's like separate.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: We'll do them separate now. That's what we're doing.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Yes. Like the same. I've decided that I'm no longer gonna eat my dinner and have a bath at the same time.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know.
[00:02:00] Speaker B: Just do it separately.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: When did you do that?
[00:02:05] Speaker B: Just do things that are appropriately done at the correct time. But it was fun to try anyway.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, how's your week been, Ben?
[00:02:12] Speaker B: My week has been full of streamlabs.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Streamlabs, yeah.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: And if you don't know what Streamlabs is, I'll tell you. Streamlabs is like a software, online software, actually cloud based software for live streaming. It's kind of like obs.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, that's cool.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: And I've been exploring it, first of all, just because it's awesome to learn new stuff, right. And they are a, there's obs which allows you to stream from PC or computer to any streaming platform. And it allows you to build scenes and frames and you have sources and you, you can put overlays and multiple cameras and then send the stream out. So Streamlabs is a version of that. It's cloud based. The reason why I was playing with it is because it has this. You can do vertical and horizontal streaming really well. So that's the first thing I wanted to do.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: How's that different from obs?
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Also, Obs is like.
Obs is like PC, whereas Streamlabs is like Apple. As in. Streamlabs is maybe a tiny bit limit. It's slightly more limited in terms of functionality, but it kind of just works.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: Whereas obs like to do the vertical and horizontal, you have to have a plugin and then you gotta make sure your plugins are updated.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: It's a little bit more complicated.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: There's a lot more steps. Which plugin do you choose and which one is the best one? It's like, I don't know. Some people love all of that. And for me, it's just like, I.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Kind of like to just work more intuitive.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And the other bit of it is figuring out. So they have this thing. What's it remind myself what it's called? It's called.
Oh, collabcam.
So it allows you to bring in external streamers or guests or whatever onto your stream. But they're not like multi guesting with you. Send them a link.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: They sign up from any streaming platform or.
[00:04:18] Speaker B: No, no. Like, so, so let's say I was live streaming, okay. From streamlabs, and I sent you my collab cam link.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: You could use the collab cam or the Streamlabs mobile app or their desktop app.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Click on the link. You're now like essentially having a video call with me.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: So I'd have to. So the recipient has to have the same software.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: And then I can now place you on the screen. Full screen.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: That's cool.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: As a frame or what? However you want it.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: That reminds me of like talk shows or news casts.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Where there's like a little box and there's like a reporter inside the box.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: Throwing over to terror. She's out in the field.
Yeah. We could have done it for the hurricane. Yeah. You'd been the person like the wind.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Blowing and I'm like, can't stand those are people flying around.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: But anyway, yes. That is so cool. That just tells me that just like opens up so many more capabilities and so many more options of what we can do now.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: With our shows.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think it's that it's like making it easy and it's not. Still not the easiest. It's not like total, just plug and play. Boop. Yeah, it nearly is. But the idea that I could just pull somebody into a stream like that, like the obvious example is the newscast, but you could do loads of fun stuff. Yeah. That's the power. That's the powerful tool that we were looking for. So that's why I've been playing with it.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah. It's crazy how fast the technology has changed in the world of live streaming. And live streaming has been around for a while and, you know, it's crazy because the technology is making it more.
Making it more accessible for just anyone now to live stream. Whereas before you had to have a nice desktop, a webcam, a nice setup, you had to be able to. It was more stationary.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Now you just need a mobile phone, basically. A phone that has decent signal, tablet, even.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: A tablet.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Yeah. It's cool. I notice in like the best buys and over in the UK they have curries is the similar.
[00:06:26] Speaker A: Every time you say that, I think it's like a restaurant. Curry. It sounds like a. It sounds like a china panda. Like indian food over there.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Curry's is like Best Buy, smaller version of Best Buy in the UK. Like high street. It was on the high street.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: The main street, which isn't really a.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Thing over here, the main street.
But both of those places I've been watching over the last probably, I mean, probably like eight years, but more closely over the last three years, how the streaming products are like becoming.
They have their own section, the same as in target as well. It's like the products that are there for streaming. Like now you get gaming sections. Like, it's very much gamer led.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: Right, right. It is very gamer oriented streaming.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: But I have seen a couple of display displays where it's like. It's clearly some. It's the. It's like a mic plus a little camera.
Yeah. And it's designed clearly to just sit there and livestream.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: I think when the technology is moving in that direction, particularly when it's like visible to the public, that's why I'm using those examples of like, they are mainstore.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: What you saw again, in the. In the back in the store.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: So I think for the last five years or so, we've had an increasing number of, like, gaming streaming setups, like, with the different. Like, they've been branded with the teams and stuff like that. But it's very. I mean, they. They're branded for gaming.
[00:07:56] Speaker A: So it looks gay is what I've seen. Yeah.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Bright green.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: Bright orange.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: All the lights.
[00:08:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
Whereas now there are more products where it's, like, just for streaming in a chat based, community based, like, entertainment based way.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I noticed that. You know, also I noticed, like, a lot of the shows on tv, I like to watch tv. Cause it's not live. It's like the opposite of what I do every day.
So I was watching, and I noticed a lot of them, they're horizontal streaming still. Like, I see a lot of that, you know, but I noticed the other day, there was a lady sitting in a coffee shop, and she was an influencer and she had her phone. Oh, vertical.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: I know the show you're talking about.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: And she was streaming, and it was like, she was actually, like, live streaming and she was talking to her chat.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: So that's the first time I've seen in mainstream.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: Right. That show. Fisk.
[00:08:50] Speaker A: Fisk, yes.
[00:08:51] Speaker B: So there's a new season, australian show, new season came out, episode two.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Oh, my God, it's so funny. If you guys are looking for a really, like, dry humor, kind of, like sarcastic, witty, funny show.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: It's like the office, but, like, way funnier, I think.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. They went down this. That one of the characters, it was a bit part. It was like a. It was not a main character. And they came in to get legal advice, and they said, I'm going down to the cafe. And they were social media influencer.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: And, yeah. My expectation was that they were gonna go down and, like, be shown to.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Do a dance, like a TikTok dance.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Or, like, making a video, like, drinking their coffee and, like, taking an Instagram photo.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: But no, they were streaming. They were live streaming.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: It was. They were literally. But it was very clear because they were talking to.
[00:09:41] Speaker A: Their chat they had set up, too. Like, it was on in a little, like. Like, what are those things called? The tripod. No, yeah, it was a tripod. Yeah, yeah, it was a tripod. I was trying to think of the other word.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Doesn't matter.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: The.
The creep of showing that or, like, normalizing that.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Is, I think, as that shows into the mainstream now, it's not weird, like, in the same. That's why we were expecting the cliche of the influencer to do the thing that being showed. But that was being shown on tv five years.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: That was five years ago that they were doing the dances. Like, everyone, let's do our TikTok. Come on. Yeah, exactly. Or it was like, I'm making a video of, like, this beautifully edited video of, like, my day, or how I get ready in the morning, you know? And now it's like they're actually showing people streaming. Live streaming, which is so cool, because.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: That just shows, like, that's a new show, isn't it?
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. That was the season that was this.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: No, but is it, like, a new. It's, like, in the last year.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah. It's only got two seasons.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So it's that just, like, it's nice. It's showing that it's creeping into the mainstream.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: So what, um, is also remarkable is that you said that tv, you like going on watching tv because it's not live. Because that's what you do all the time. Except there's live all over.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: The streaming says it's live.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: Tomorrow. Dismay. No, it's not dismay, actually. It's just, to my surprise.
[00:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: I was watching murder, she wrote.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Keeping it relevant. Keeping it up to date.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: I just want to watch something that's really, really up to date.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: I wanted something slow that wasn't very stimulating, and that was, like, kind of comforting because it was, like, nostalgic. So I was laying in bed, and I was watching it, and you came in, and you started talking to me, and you had an idea, and I was like, oh, let me pause it. I want to see if. I want to hear what you. But I couldn't pause it, and that's why it's live. It's live because you can't pause it. You can't rewind it. It's it's. It's going. It's broadcasting, and you have to be there right then and there to see it.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: But it's pre recorded, so it's not really live.
[00:11:44] Speaker A: It's not really live.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: But they're using.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: It's being shown live to you.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: They're using the live logo to rep.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: It really means misleading, I think it.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Really means, you can't watch this again. No replay. No. You can't rewind.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: No. It's basically saying, this is what it was like before streaming. This is what television was. It was being broadcast.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I think there's a confusion here, but.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: It'S a bunch of recordings being broadcasted.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: Don't you think there is something confusing about.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's very confusing. Like I said it was. I was like, surprised. I was like, oh. I was like, oh. Cuz you know, we deal with live streaming all the time. And I was like, there's gonna be some live streaming on Hulu. Let me see. What. What's. What could this be? Yeah, and it was just a rerun.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: There's also, I don't know which app it's on. Probably the YouTube one, but it might be somewhere else where there's like the Mister Beast channel, which is streaming live in air quotes. Streaming live. Except they're playing videos from their existing. His existing videos.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah, they're like the YouTube videos.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So, like, I. I actually think this is a huge problem for our industry because we are talking about live streaming. So here, first of all, let's break it down. Let's really break it down because there's the word live and then there's the word streaming.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: And both applying to multiple different things.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah. They have. It's like the same word, but it has multiple meanings, each one on the.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: Tv that was streaming. And, like, the general public, general population knows what. What you say, juice? Do you stream your entertainment? Initial thought, it's on telly.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I watched, I have. I have a net. I open up my smart. My smart tv, and there's a Netflix, hulu, whatever, blah, blah, blah. I stream my entertainment that way. Whereas where you can binge it and.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: All that jazz, twitch and tick tock. Live and YouTube streaming, it's like YouTube live. It's like an Instagram streaming platforms as well.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's different. It's not the same.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: They are a live stream. If you stream on those platforms, you are now a live streamer.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. So, like, there's also confusion because I. How many times. Yeah. Do you remember when we first started telling people what we did and we're like, yeah, we work with live streamers. Like, oh, what kind of games do they do? Like they thought instantly, gamers.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Right. But quite rightly, because that's all that people knew, I think this is so that what we're working in here, which is entertainment. Live streaming, like community streaming, where you're. You're the built in difference is there has to be engagement, otherwise it doesn't exist.
[00:14:14] Speaker A: Right. That is. That is the backbone of this type of streaming.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: Right. So let's look at. Let's have a look at what these places call themselves.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Okay, so I'm looking up here. So Netflix. Okay. I'm looking up Hulu first. This is in Hulu's language. Okay. Hulu. On their website, Hulu is the leading, most comprehensive all in one premium streaming service that offers expansive slate of live and on demand entities. Entertainment.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: So they're calling themselves a premium streaming service.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: They're also saying they're all in one. Like, what does that even mean? What is all in one mean?
Curious.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: I don't know. I'm just saying it's a question.
[00:14:52] Speaker B: I think they're saying they do on demand and live and air quotes.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Live where?
[00:14:59] Speaker B: So is Twitch. Twitch says that they, Twitch is an interactive live streaming service for content spanning gaming, entertainment, sports, music and more. So, like, the description is very similar.
Netflix calls themselves a streaming service as well.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: So maybe the thing is, like, streaming is just that the. What is TikTok access point? I'll look up in a second. It's like the access point to the audience, but the live bit is the huge problem. So I think the industry, we need to make a call out to the industry here to decide, can we all agree that if we use the word live, it means that the thing is happening in the moment and whether you can replay it or not is a whole other question. Right. Can you, can you replay the live in the future? Doesn't affect whether it's saying live. But we streaming platforms like Netflix shouldn't be using the word live for basically what is essentially a pre recorded show.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: No, I don't think that's live. But I will say, like, it really does bring you back to the old television. Before you could, before there was like, oh, what was that device you get TiVo, you know, where you could pause, rewind your live shows that you were watching? They were live because they were being broadcast. Somebody was in the network pushing a button, go playing that like a disc jockey. Live. They were doing that, right, live, and you couldn't rewind it. And that was the way television was back in the day. So I think it's almost like a hiccup, but they're calling it live for some reason. I don't, I still don't understand why they're calling it live.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Let's look up. Let's look up TikTok Live, see what they, they refer to themselves as. Okay.
All right, TikTok, this is again on their website. TikTok Live allows viewers and creators to interact in real time. As a creator, you may have access to the live features, such as effects multi guest moderation, live gifs, and other settings. As a viewer, you can support your favorite creators live content by watching their live videos, subscribing. Just, I'm stopping here. Notice they haven't used the word streaming.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: No, I don't, I don't see streaming anywhere.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: They can subscribe to their live communities, participating in the chat, and react to their live with virtual gifs. So really here, TikTok lives approach is. Yeah, it's talking about engagement a little more.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: You can engage with your favorite creator in live.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Participating. It says that by participating in the chat, reacting to their lives with.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: You know, virtual gifts and more.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: So cool.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: So it defines itself as live.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: It was in the interact in real time. So it's interaction in real time.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Which is not live streaming, but is it?
[00:17:50] Speaker B: I think that's exactly what live streaming is.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: Okay, so it is the definition of live streaming, but no one has ever associated that with live streaming until right now is what I'm saying. Well, there's a discovery, I think.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: Well, I think you can interact in real, you don't have to interact in real time for it to not to be live. That's, I don't think that interaction is any part of the live, but you.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: Have to be at that point where that camera or whatever that lens is capturing your image and your movements and sound. That has to be in real time.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: And that's being streamed.
[00:18:23] Speaker B: Well, it's like, live. It's like, where does the word live come from? It comes from people doing things in real time. It's own, like the, the barrier of putting a camera in place is just like a modern addition. It's like things happen live on stage, on.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: Whatever. People, if you were gonna tell people something before you record it or, like, put it through a microphone, you said you had to be there at a certain time to hear them do it.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Live or you would miss it.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah. You would miss it.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Which reminds me of so industry.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: We gotta figure this out.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Haven't we?
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah. It's time to, it's time to define it, because we're find the live. Yeah. I think we're at a, like a press. What do you call it, a precipice? Is that what it's called? We're at a turning point where, like, this is where we're, it's a defining moment. So we should create a term for this that sets it aside from what this other term is.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: Because they're two different things.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: And also, it feels like, I mean, in theory, this is all going to the same place. Like, in theory, live streamers entertainment. Live streamers won't only be on the phone once. You can interact in a, like a seamless way with your television. Your television can turn on its to it so its portrait you can.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: Now it's almost there because when I was laying in bed with my, you know, like when I wasn't feeling well, I was. I was playing like a merge bubble game. Like it was like fruit or whatever, but I had to connect my phone to use it as the controller. So I can easily see how if my tv was turned vertical and there was some software that could connect to your. Your phone, your tablet, or whatever it is, your device to your television, you could watch streaming platforms like that. Like, I could watch TikTok live on my phone, on my tv and just use, like, type into my phone for the comment or whatever. It's like my mouse pad.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:12] Speaker A: But I watch it on the big screen.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: So all of those things are going to end up doing some version of that and having the live wording, confusing things. Here's another version of this.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: So then you'll be able to. Sorry, I just wanted to go a little bit more into that. So now it's like, imagine opening up your television and seeing like Instagram app, a Facebook app, TikTok app, and then you can click on that and it's like being on the app kind of on your phone if you're streaming.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you can do that now.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: It's not the same.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Not seamless at all. It's not built.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: No, no, I'm saying, like, it's like.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: I'm assuming that it won't be like an Instagram app or Facebook app. It will be TikTok live app.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: It'll be.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: It's not social media on there. We're talking about live streaming.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: We're talking about live streaming stuff like the entertainment side of it.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Have you noticed there is also like Amazon Live as well?
[00:21:09] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: So Amazon live. I've has this issue as well. So for anyone who doesn't know, Amazon has a live streaming service which is kind of buried within the app.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like a live selling.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. TikTok shop or something.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: TikTok shop, yes. So there is an Amazon Live app which you use to stream through, but as the viewer, you experience it within just your regular Amazon app.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:21:40] Speaker B: So, well, you. You know how to get there.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So you just. If you go into your Amazon app, your normal Amazon app. Like you're gonna order something and you go to search something that you're looking for. Like say you want to go to the search bar. Yeah, I want to search for some boots. Instead of putting boots, you just put in live streaming. And it's the first thing that pops up. It comes up in the very top. It's like a little like slider screen or something, but you click on it and then it opens up into a feed. And now you're on a scrolling feed where you can just scroll it and it's just online shopping, but here.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: So the, when I was using it, it's cool. You, you see the first couple of people who are live and then you scroll down and it, and it says live and it's a, and it's, there's the thumbnail and you click on it. But it's a pre recorded previous live, which is being posted as a live, but it's very clearly a pre record because when I first started watching them, I thought it was like a pre roll, like where on like YouTube live and on Twitch. Like, you can have like a pre roll intro to stuff. I was like, oh, it will click into the actual live in a second. It never did.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: It never did.
[00:22:45] Speaker B: So that kind of is. It's confusing.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: And that's why we're saying we need to make a stand. There needs to be a line in the sand.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: Come on. It's like everyone needs to get together. Netflix, Twitch, TikTok live, kick everyone. What brought live mean? Yes, I'll happily mediate that. What does live mean to everybody? And we.
Is this live?
[00:23:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Then it's allowed to have live and it's got to be readdez.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: You know where the history of that comes from?
[00:23:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I do.
Isn't it when. Okay, so isn't it, um, I'm imagining like when, because I know I've, I've been in several like radio stations and like, like where they're, where they're like rolling live and it. There's like a red light on box and it says recording or on air.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's, I think as it is. It, yeah, it's like tradition.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: They just had the red thing on to say don't walk in here because it's live and you're gonna mess it up.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: It's like using like the entertainment industry. It has like the green room. Like that's the place where you relax because green is relaxing. Like, how can we stop people walking in here? Well, it's live. We put a massive red light outside.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like a stop sign or a red light. It's like caution.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: Like, do not enter. Enter with caution. Be aware, be aware.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Be careful.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: You're gonna mess this all up.
[00:24:07] Speaker A: Makes total sense. That's really cool.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, I like that the live being in a red box to, like, it's. You know, it's holding onto that. It's like a nostalgia thing or just tradition.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: It's like, hey, yeah, I don't think it's tradition. You know my view on tradition.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I do know your view on tradition. You don't really like tradition.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Well, it's not that I don't like it. I like to think about what the. The. The reason for things.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: Yes, I agree.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: So, like, a red light to tell people to stop is useful in the olden days, in the past, but it's also useful now. It's the same effect.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: Makes sense.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: It makes sense right now. But some traditions, like having, like, tradition. I don't know, like. Like the having a Christmas tree where you bring a tree into the house. Those kind of traditions were in place to remind people stuff. It's like harvest festival. It's like, this is to remind us that kind of. At this time of year, because no one was writing this stuff down, they had to pass on the information to new generations. So you make a thing of it each year so everyone remembers.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: It was also practical at the time, too, when they were doing it, I think. Wasn't it mostly practical?
[00:25:20] Speaker B: Well, I think it was practical, but also a reminder. It becomes a tradition because it's a reminder because you want your village to all remember. This is when you plant the crops.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Because it's, like a slow process of over time, over generational. Like, it just, like, kind of fades away each generation to the point where now we're just doing these things and we're like, why are we doing them?
[00:25:40] Speaker B: Right. So the why is no longer there.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: I. It's like I'm pro making new traditions which are related to what we need to remember today in the world that we live in now. Not. It's reminding ourselves that the. It's the longest day of the year. Like, it doesn't impact us in the same way, where it's very important for people then to know, okay, the sun's gonna come up.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, why are we still doing daylight savings day? Do we really need to do that anymore? No. Now it's just traditional.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Like, I would love to get rid of that.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm not against, like, the fun part of tradition.
I always try to examine each one. It's like, what is the point in this? Are we doing it. Are we doing it for somebody else's benefit to sell me something? Or are we doing this because I really want to? Or are we doing it because we need to have this piece of knowledge baked into future generations to help the human race survive? I know that's kind of like.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah. What? No, but it's like, is this practical or not? You know? It's like, I agree with you on that. Like, I know you're not poo pooing on tradition, on all traditions just because they're traditions.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: What are you going to do for Halloween this year? Talking about traditions. Halloween's coming up.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: Oh, my favorite time of the year.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: You get to pick two costumes to wear, and I'll pick which one you're gonna choose.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: If you accept that challenge, what do you think?
[00:27:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so I think what I would like to do is do either be Larry the shark.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I would like to dress up as Larry.
[00:27:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good one. You've already got the shark costume.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes, I do. Or I'd like to be grumple puffs. Okay, those are my two choices.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Okay, I. Okay, I'm gonna give you two choices for me, and you can choose because I'm gonna think about yours. Then in that case. Okay. Okay, if we're doing live streamers, then.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: In that case, you don't necessarily have to do live streamers.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: I know I don't, but you're gonna laid it out. Okay, so how about. Okay, so one, I will do a franc character with the blue suit and the yellow.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: The turtleneck.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Turtleneck.
[00:27:54] Speaker A: Yes.
Oh, can we get you some candles? Like, get you. We should get you one of the candles. We should get you one of the candles.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: I'd love to. Those candles, who. Who has them out in the world? They might be worth.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: They might be worth.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: They might be twice what they cost. Okay, so I'll do the franc or I will do sue Dylan.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. I love both of your choices too.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: Oh, I think we should do a. Some kind of poll just to. I would love for our community to get involved.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Okay, well, if you want to. We won't decide then. Those are the two options if you do want to contribute to deciding what our costume is.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So for Tara. For Tara, it's gonna be Larry the shark. Ps. Threena. Shark.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Or it's gonna be the grandpa push.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm interested to know how you do that. And I'm gonna either do the fronk or Sue Dylan. And I'll do the accent as well. So you can always contact us on the anywhere where the podcast is. You can head to the podcast website and just contact us. Or contact us at teammates blueshiftcreative.com and reach out with any questions or thoughts. We do love hearing from everybody.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Yes, we do.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: So let's wrap up Tara, and we will see everybody much more regularly in this place again very soon.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: See you next time.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: Bye.
