Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Welcome to the Guide to Live. This is your hangout to talk about live streaming with people who really know.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: What it's like, because, let's face it, no one really knows what you're talking about if you say you're a live.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: Streamer, but we do. So I'm Tara and across from me is my co host Ben, and together we make up your Guide to Live.
[00:00:26] Speaker B: In this episode, we break down what is really going on with the so called shadow ban and talk through the top nine things you need to avoid, which could be limiting the reach of your stream. And because just knowing this list of things is half the battle, we break down some practical tips on how to stay within the community guidelines and how to avoid misinterpretations from the moderators so you don't get limited, even if you didn't do something wrong. But first, you join us in the studio mid conversation about Biggie Smalls and creative diarrhea. So if poop chat isn't your thing, just scroll ahead 1 1/2 minutes where we get back into live streaming.
[00:01:01] Speaker A: All right, well, let's get into it.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: But what's the pooping in the sheets got to.
[00:01:08] Speaker A: Oh, it's a song. It's lyrics. And has one of his songs.
[00:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
[00:01:12] Speaker A: I got techniques dripping up my butt cheeks.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Sleep on my stomach, so don't beep up the sheets. I was trying to be censored.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Okay, so he's relating his talent to diarrhea.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Yes, it's coming out his butt cheeks.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: He's got loads of it. It's uncontrollable. And he has to sleep on his front so he doesn't get it on his.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Mess up his sheets. Yeah, yeah, I'm speaking of talent. I have come across some really talented people lately and I'm like making sure they have enough toilet paper.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: I mean, I don't want to labor this, but I do wonder if his talent comes out of any of the other orifices or if it's just there.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: Ironically, it actually comes out of the opposite orifice. His talent comes out of the mouth.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: Same one. One big tube.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: Yes.
One way tube.
Why are we talking about poop so much?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: That's a fast road to get you shadow banned.
[00:02:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that will if you talk about poop too much. Live streaming and, and, and diarrhea.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Wood. Talking about poop or poo for the English listeners.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Feces for the scientifically minded listeners. Yes. Thank you.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Would it cause a shadow Ban. This is my question too. Does a big red buzzer go off at TikTok and it says, talking about poop.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: And then somebody pushes that shadow ban button and then boom, your shadow band. That's what happened.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: They click the button. Shadow ban on or off?
[00:02:40] Speaker A: It's a switch.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: Okay. I thought it was just a button that you push and then it's like.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Oh, you thought it was physical button.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: No, it's like the light switches in England. You know, you push one up at the top and the bottom one pops out. It's off and on.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: So the big, like.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: It doesn't work that way though, right?
[00:02:55] Speaker B: It doesn't work that way, but it kind of does.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: So like. But it's just not a shadow.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: There is no such thing as a shadow ban. What's going on when you're in quote air quotes here, Shadow band is. You're being limited. You're being suppressed from the for you page.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: You're not being shadow banned.
There's no button.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: So, yeah, the obvious question is, now what, What. What's causing me to be limited if it's not called shadow band? And what do I do to get it unbound?
[00:03:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: So I think the first big message before we go into all of the things that would cause the shadow ban is that there's no quote unquote. Yeah. What's limiting you is that there's no unbam on shadow ban unlimit button. There is. Just stop doing the thing that causes.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: The limit, the limitations. As soon as you. As soon as you stop doing that, the algorithm starts assessing your stream again. And then it sees the engagement, it notices you're not doing the thing anymore and it starts to push you out again.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: If you're getting all the good positive.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: Engagement, that's not next stream. That's like now, if you feel like you're shadow banned, there's almost certainly a thing that you're doing that is restricting you. And if you were to stop doing that thing, no matter what it was within 15 or 20 minutes, your viewers would start to recover because your stream is no longer. It's even faster than that for you page.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Five minutes. I mean, it can take up to five minutes. If you. If you start getting more like positive engagement. And this is where people think, oh, I need to restart, I need to restart. And actually it's not good on and on. You know, you shouldn't restart because it limits the big algorithmic push you get in the very beginning. After a couple of times, you stop Getting it as much. So instead of restarting, all you need to do is just get that positive engagement back up. And what is it that's limiting you? You have to think about that. There's so many things that can limit you. Believe it or not, there's a lot.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: And lots of people come to us and say, I wish there was a list. It's like, yeah, I kind of also wish there was a list. But there's no way to make a list of these things because there is. There's the black and white lines. Is someone naked or not? Right. That's a yes or no binary.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Right.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: But is the AI able to detect that somebody who's wearing short shorts that are maybe a bit skin colored and a top that is a color that on, in the light in their room looks skin colored and then they're a bit far from the screen and it doesn't.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: And it's dark, maybe it's not well lit.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: So like that is a prime example where there's a gray area and a judgment has to be made on a high scale and it sometimes gets made incorrectly.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Right. But this is this. It's like I gotta make a judgment for safety purposes. I'm not going to put this on in the main feed right now for anyone to see because I'm not sure what it is.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: And that's really kind of what's going on. If you're not being pushed, you're either it's shaky, camera lighting's bad, or they don't know. Like it doesn't know what it is to put it in there. It's. It's unsure.
[00:06:01] Speaker B: What is definitely true is platforms are making decisions in terms of what's safe for everyone.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: Everyone. Yeah.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: So if they are caught broadcasting nudity regularly or worse than the whole platform gets shut down, nobody has anything. So they have to choose a line. And the bigger the platform, the more people streaming, the more people watching, the more important it is that they are on the side of caution.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: I think one big first rule before going into more of the ways that you get limited. It's not whether you're doing the thing or not. It's also, I think as a professional streamer, to think about, are you doing something that could be mistaken for the thing?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Because to accept being a live streamer in this big ecosystem where there's loads of streamers, you have to accept that mistakes get made a lot of times.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: And it's so crazy because I remember when we first started working with TikTok and one of the creators that was in the program that we were working with was, all of a sudden, he was like, my views are going down. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what's going on. I went from like, this many to, like, barely getting anyone in the room. I'm doing the same content. I don't know what's wrong. Looked at it. Looked at it. He was burning incense and it was like smoke in the. In the stream. And so of course, the moderators don't know if that's cigarette smoke, drug smoke, house smoke, smoke, drug smoke, house is on fire. They don't know what it is. They. They can't determine. So to err on the. On the side of caution, they just pull it out of the for you page because they don't know. They don't know.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: They don't know.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: They don't know.
[00:07:38] Speaker B: It's better for everyone to be safe, even if it's not better for you right in that moment and that protection is being given to you while they're being safe with other things and you're streaming safely.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Guess what happened when he stopped burning incense? He just went right back up. He got pushed right to the for you page again.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: So is, in that case, is it like, is it super important to your stream to have incense or not?
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: If not remove.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Right. If it's not that important.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: Don't have it because it's going to limit you.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So you said several. Okay, so you said it being dark and we explained the reason. Right. It might mistake some other thing happening. Don't have the camera being shaky.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: If the camera's shaky, if someone's scrolling onto the for you page and they're watching nice videos and now it's shaky. It's not a good experience.
[00:08:22] Speaker A: No. I get sick. Motion sickness.
[00:08:24] Speaker B: All right, why don't we go quick fire? Like the top nine things that cause a shadow ban in quotes, which is actually just causing a limit to your FYI reach.
[00:08:35] Speaker A: Let's go. Let's do it.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Let's do it. Okay, number one.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: All right.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: Inappropriate or sexual content.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: Yes. Like wearing overly revealing clothing or focusing the camera on body parts.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Right. Or simulated sexual actions or suggestive dancing. Especially if it's combined with particular, um, dark areas on the screen where it can misread what's going on.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And using, like, sexual innuendos and text overlays. Pinned comments or in your voice, like saying it. Saying, saying those things. Yeah.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: All right. That's number One.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Number. Number two is like harassment, bullying and aggressive behavior.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah. And big one here, you might be the one being harassed and bullied by a troll in the comments, but if you read that text out, you're the person on screen broadcasting that statement. Yeah. So, so avoid that. But also, even if you're saying it, yelling anything that can be perceived as threatening or aggressively arguing with someone on stream is a limiting violation.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Another thing that people need to be careful of is not to call viewers out by their name in a negative way, like referring to someone specifically with their name and saying something negative about them.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. Or making fun of someone's appearance or identity or background or something like that. Those are all limiting ones.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Yeah. They all fall under the harassment and bullying and aggressiveness. Yeah.
[00:10:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So number three, mental health related violations. Right.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is talking about suicide, self harm, eating disorders in a trigger triggering or graphic way. Like you know, even if it's positive.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Right. And I think this is a really tricky one because it is a sensitive subject and there's a lot of people who give a lot of great, really positive but advice right here. So even if the intent is positive, be mindful of how triggering the content could be.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: You will probably be more than likely be limited.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: So also within to protect that same group, glorifying or making jokes about depression or anxiety are also limiting violations.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. And. And soliciting money or gifts in the wrong way. This is something that you just need to be careful because there is things that you can do and things you can't do.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Right, Right. So repeatedly asking for gifts, pressuring a viewer to send is a limiting violation.
[00:10:54] Speaker A: I mean it just kind of comes across as begging like that. It's not enjoyable.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: The intention is the exchange of value is because the entertainment and what the host is providing.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: As the stream is worth it.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: It's not a game to get the money.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: No.
[00:11:09] Speaker B: Or the gift. Right.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not a free.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Giveaway either. It's supporting something that's valuable to the viewer by giving a gift. Let's see, promoting off platform payments. This is like Cash App, PayPal et cetera. And like saying hey, you can, you can hit me up in cash app or having it even like written.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: In the background or overlays. If you put a sticker up or if you're using like live studio or obs or something like that and you do an overlay, you can't do that. It's going to limit you.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Also just thinking it from a Platform perspective. This is true of all live streaming platforms where they generate their revenue through gifts and subscriptions. It will be limiting to your reach on the for you page. If you are looking to monetize off platform, which makes sense again, you can still do that to your followers, but you're not going to get the new viewers.
All right, next one. Hate speech slurs or controversial topics.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: And this is interesting because a lot of people come on and they do this and they stream this because they're creating a community that wants to talk about these things. So this is something that you just need to know what you can and cannot say. Yeah, and work around.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. It's a. Definitely a tricky area. Like. But implied hate speech, like even coded language or dog whistles and things like that. Yeah, it's like the moderation there, while it makes mistakes, is also incredibly smart as well. So.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it can pick up on those things. Yeah, yeah. Like the political discussions and controversial topics, you know, people wanting to inform and educate. This is where you have to be careful about what you say.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Right. And I think sometimes where people get caught out is highlighting a topic that is controversial but coming from. From a positive way. But the, the way the topic is brought up cites hateful language coming at the streamer. Right. So the streamer is intending to highlight like some kind of division and the. The viewers are becoming hateful towards them. And even in that situation, they're not looking to generate content like that or platform content. So it will be taken out of the for you page as well. Yeah, getting too political. Discussing controversial events in a diversive way. Yeah, yeah. All right, next one.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: All right, so prohibited items and dangerous behavior is also going to limit your. Your for you page reach.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: So like, for sure. So showing alcohol, drugs, vaping weapons, even toy ones.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Even if you vape off, like you just lean. You just kind of lean off the camera a little bit, then come back on and then it sees the vapor. Yeah. It's.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Anything here where it is seen as glorifying or promoting. Right. So promoting the activity, particularly regulated goods. And this is a great example of something that showing alcohol actually is the root cause of the whole rumor that you can get banned for drinking water.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: On your live stream.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: On your live stream.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: Huge like trend amongst TikTok live videos, sharing you can't drink water. You can't drink water. Actually, what is happening? Is it the AI mistakenly thinking that somebody's showing alcohol? Yeah, right.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: And therefore limiting them because especially depending.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: On how you're drinking it like are you doing it like with really jerky motions where you like turn it up really quickly and chug, chug, chug, chug, chug. And then put it down and go, ah, yeah, yeah. Like how are you presenting it?
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So like think about it from a moderator's perspective as well. So the moderator, an AI will flag something, somebody drinking a, let's say a clear bottle of water. Right. It's not sure. It seems like the streamer might be eight acting erratic, but it might just be a fun crazy stream. And you're drinking water because you're having a good time. Right. It doesn't really know. And then the moderator sees 5, 10 seconds of your stream. They don't have no context that you're not drunk or intoxicated and they have to make a value judgment. And like before they have to err on the side of caution. So in that instance, like something that's completely innocent ends up being a limiting violation. I'm shadow banned for drinking water. It's not, it's just was a mistaken violation. Yeah, yeah. So. Oh, driving, operating machinery.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: This is important because there's a lot of people have do crafts and certain crafts are like kind of dangerous machinery where you could injure yourself. And if you're live streaming and you're showing yourself doing your craft, you're probably wondering why I'm only getting four people in my room. You know. Right. This is why you're not going to get pushed to the for you page. An accident can happen. You can cut your fingers off.
[00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. You're driving a digger.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: You can't show that live. It's just not safe.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Well, you can, but it's going to be limiting. Like this is, this is like it would be limiting driving but also potentially a bannable offense as well. This is where it goes from the gray areas into the black areas as well.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's just it. So my suggestion, if you are some a streamer who's doing that stuff, don't show your machinery.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: Don't show your equipment and keep your machinery.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: And here's like, here's one. People who do cooking shows live, they don't know if they're chopping up vegetables with a knife on live that they're going to get limited.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: But they will. That's why I suggest prepare your chopped vegetables and things beforehand so you don't have a knife when you're doing your.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: Cooking show or you don't have to be chopping. Off screen.
[00:16:40] Speaker A: Off screen. Exactly.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: And again, this is like if you were chopping a cooking show, it probably be okay. But if the AI flags the knife being like wielded. Right. Which could just be you moving it across to put it in the washing.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Pile. And then the, the human moderator can't figure out in that 10 second clip whether you were actually chopping before then the violation occurs.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: Right.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: So is it worth the risk of doing it on screen? Is that an important part of your stream? If it's not yet.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: I don't think it's worth it. I honestly don't think it's worth it. I've worked with several creators who were doing this and the minute they stopped showing the knife on screen, their views went back up. They were getting pushed again.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, we got three more big areas. Okay. Number seven is underage appearance or behavior. That's first of all we get this with people who are judged to be underage. If you do look younger and you're again and the room's dark and you're standing at the back and it can't tell even sometimes where people have their ID in the system like that, you can get caught.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: Caught for that.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah, Very difficult one. But just being mindful of that, if you do look young, don't be caught in the back of your room perhaps.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: And then anything involving minors on screen is like, just avoid it completely.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah, anything. Yeah. It's just, it's just not worth it. It is going to limit you. And if you were to step off screen for a minute and the miners on the screen by themselves, you're going to lose your entire account.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: Permanently.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: It's not worth it.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And that could be just somebody leaning off the screen. You leaning off the screen. So the moderator now sees a child alone on screen.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: And they can't tell.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: And this is if you're also like, think about this. If you're multi guesting too and you have someone on who's doing these, it applies to you because you're hosting and broadcasting on your main channel if you're doing that. So you be careful of that as well.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Here I want to talk about using filters that make you look too young and acting like a child in a way that can be misinterpreted. So that's going to limit your view.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I think those are good ones to flag as well. And it's definitely possible within. Within app to change facial features. But there are other apps as well that change stuff. And like if you were using that, you may think you were being shadow Banned. But you're not. It's just the filter that just take.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Off the filter and your.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:59] Speaker A: Your views will probably go back up again.
Yes. So number eight, low energy or misleading content.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: So that could be like walking away from the screen for long periods. For example, we like people just going to the bathroom.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Or they're like. Or they're change. Or they're changing off screen or like first of all, if you, if you have to change, don't do it for a very long time. And.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Or if you do use the pause function. There is a pause function which pauses the live.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: And it shows a pause screen to your viewers. So they know. But also it stops your stream being put onto the for you page so you're not getting low engagement and your stream doesn't cycle down in terms of viewers.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: A lot of people don't know that this is so important for. So if you are to step away or to move off camera or get off of the frame. Out of frame. Pause your live stream.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Pause it.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Pause it.
[00:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: Yes.
Looping pre recorded content as if it's live.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean that's pretty self explanatory.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: Hopefully if it's not live, you shouldn't be doing it.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And fake giveaways or misleading titles. Like we really advocate for cute, funny, hooky titles. If you're a musician maybe asking a question. Are we the worst band on TikTok? Just to get people.
[00:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a. To get people in for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: But a misleading title for the same band saying we are giving away free tickets to all of our shows when you're not.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: No, that's not okay.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: It's not a marketing ploy. Okay.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: And so finally reports. So this is a big one. People talk about reports being a thing and they got reported and therefore they're being limited.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: So that isn't something that happens. But if you, if there are a lot of reports, it will sometimes cause your stream to be reviewed by a moderator.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: But as soon as that review has happened with the moderator, then those reports go away. Assuming you weren't doing the thing they were reporting right before.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: So the reach may get reduced and if we're talking about shadow ban temporarily.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Yes. So no one can report your stream and get you banned if you're not doing anything wrong. But you might be taken out of the FYP just for moderation to check it.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:14] Speaker A: And then put you right back in.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the big areas. If you're shadow band, these are the things that are likely limiting you. There's no button, there's no person that can go unstitch that shadow band because it doesn't exist.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: You have the power in your hand. You got power. You've got the power. Power. Yes, you do actually, because all you have to do is hit those calls to action, hit them up again, get, get the engagement going again. Ask questions, create reasons for your viewers to ask you questions to, to comment, to share to.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: Like we really view this like avoiding violations, avoiding being limited is just one of the skills of being a live streamer. Like when we talk about the craft of live streaming.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a big hill that a lot of new streamers have to overcome is learning all of these little tiny things that just gets them limited. And then once they've learned those things and they're not getting limited, they get pushed to the fyp. Now it's like, okay, now what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do now that you're an fyp?
[00:22:10] Speaker B: So that's another part of the craft. But it's like, why taking it kind of seriously, the craft bit, so you can go have fun and have your fun stream of what it ever it is. Knowing that you have the knowledge of things to avoid the things to do. And how is that changing over time? How community guidelines gets applied on all platforms changes over time.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: They're so important. And if you are a professional streamer, that means you're depending on this as a way of a living.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Even if it's not your full time job and you earn 500 or $1,000.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: A month earning money and you're in your. And you're enjoying your money and you're using it for things and you're doing it with the intention of earning money. You should take it seriously. You shouldn't get. Do you go to work in your car? No, you shouldn't. You go to work in a, in an office or you go to work if, I mean if you're an Uber driver, yeah, you do go to work in your car. But you can't live stream and be an Uber driver. That won't work. But you can do one or the other.
But what I was saying is that take it professionally. When you start a new job and you get handed like the handbook, like you want to know what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do. You don't want to get in trouble.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: You want to be successful.
[00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: So why limit Yourself.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Just know it's a roadmap to success. Know what you shouldn't do and know what you can do and do more of that.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And anytime you do get a violation, I think the first instinct is to be like, ah, wasn't me. I didn't do it. And while that might be true, there's two things to learn. Either it was something you did.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: So figuring that out is important. And like reflection.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: But also, even if you didn't do the thing, trying to figure out what it is that could have accidentally triggered it.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: Right. So you don't do that again as well.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
And like, you're never, you know, you can never catch everything. But there are a lot of streamers we work with who never get violations, and they really push the envelope. And it's because they understand the edges of.
[00:24:14] Speaker A: They know the perimeters and where not. There's a line in the sand and they know not to cross it.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Or they know how to edge up to it. And like, that's important with any kind of entertainment.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: There are rules edging now.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: Yeah. You, you, you have to get right to the edge.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: In some cases, there's some content that fits right in the middle and there's some at the edge.
[00:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: And it's okay. That's okay. You gotta know those things.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you do. You gotta know your limits when it.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Comes down to earning. So you're saying as a professional, what's the point? So if your reach is being limited, your viewers are being limited, so therefore you're earning less money and then why.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Are you even doing it?
[00:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: Like, what's the point?
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Let's say you invest one hour of streaming time and you're doing a thing that's limiting. If you remove that now, the same investment of time is just multiplied by 10 or 100.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: It's more profitable. Yeah. You're gonna, you're going to, you're, you're going to be more fruitful if you're not getting limited.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So rather than. I think the, the reason why I bring that up is rather than being, like, annoyed at. It's like, okay, this is the puzzle I need to crack to have access to.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: These are the rules to this game. I got to learn the rules. It is it game. And I think it's a game that you can play. And if you know the rules well, you can play the game well, and you can win. You can win big.
[00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah. What a great way to end this.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You're a winner, baby.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: All right, everybody. We will, please. If you like this, drop us a review, like, and subscribe to the podcast.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: Wherever you listen to it, those reviews push it out in the podcast algorithm.
[00:25:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking of algorithms.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Speaking of algorithms. It works on podcasts. It just goes much slower. Yeah, you. The call and response is much slower.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: Because it's not live.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah. But we would love it if you liked this.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: We would love it. Yeah, we might even give you a nice little shout out.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: All right.
[00:26:04] Speaker A: All right. We'll see you next time.
[00:26:05] Speaker B: See you next time. Bye.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: Bye.
